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		<title>By: Automatically fail the MCSD.NET? What a joke!!! &#187; Buu Nguyen&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/tech-cvs-lie.html#comment-93</link>
		<dc:creator>Automatically fail the MCSD.NET? What a joke!!! &#187; Buu Nguyen&#8217;s Blog &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 23:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The sole focus is on how good the candidate is to the vacant position in term of technical knowledge and ability to blend with the current team (or be a catalyst of boosting up productivity of the current team). See more in this post. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The sole focus is on how good the candidate is to the vacant position in term of technical knowledge and ability to blend with the current team (or be a catalyst of boosting up productivity of the current team). See more in this post. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Buu Nguyen</title>
		<link>http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/tech-cvs-lie.html#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Buu Nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:15:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for stopping by, Thinh.  You're right that a good candidate needs not only the technical capability but also a personal characteristics which need to fit with the team (ideally, fit with any team).  After all, you do not want to hire superstar coder who can just not work well with anybody else.  In Peopleware, Tom DeMarco even argued that during an interview session, it's best to have the many team members, instead of just the hiring manager, assess the candidate.  I think I would try this strategy some time :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by, Thinh.  You&#8217;re right that a good candidate needs not only the technical capability but also a personal characteristics which need to fit with the team (ideally, fit with any team).  After all, you do not want to hire superstar coder who can just not work well with anybody else.  In Peopleware, Tom DeMarco even argued that during an interview session, it&#8217;s best to have the many team members, instead of just the hiring manager, assess the candidate.  I think I would try this strategy some time <img src='http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Thinh Phan</title>
		<link>http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/tech-cvs-lie.html#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinh Phan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Buu, I definitely agree with you on the points you've mentioned. From your point of view, they're the neccessary skills and what the applicants possess to do the job good (i.e. whether attributes of the candidates are suitable for the tasks needed). Phong is also right to say about "overstated competence" since he may view it from the management (I don't know whether he does, just guess!) point of view. A good candidate does not only have the skills needed for the job, but also the characteristics (or non-technical) that he has, and these make up his form or how he will be in the long term (he knows he'll have to make up for the things in his CVs if they ain't real, otherwise there is no good progress!).
Have a good day, Buu! Wish you all the best!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Buu, I definitely agree with you on the points you&#8217;ve mentioned. From your point of view, they&#8217;re the neccessary skills and what the applicants possess to do the job good (i.e. whether attributes of the candidates are suitable for the tasks needed). Phong is also right to say about &#8220;overstated competence&#8221; since he may view it from the management (I don&#8217;t know whether he does, just guess!) point of view. A good candidate does not only have the skills needed for the job, but also the characteristics (or non-technical) that he has, and these make up his form or how he will be in the long term (he knows he&#8217;ll have to make up for the things in his CVs if they ain&#8217;t real, otherwise there is no good progress!).<br />
Have a good day, Buu! Wish you all the best!</p>
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		<title>By: Buu Nguyen</title>
		<link>http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/tech-cvs-lie.html#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Buu Nguyen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for your comments, Phong.  You raised a disagreement with one of my point and said
&lt;blockquote&gt;During interview (Unfortunately, we can hardly to check all items in an interview session) we can able to appraise which overstated competence is ignorance which one is lie
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
While I can see where you come from when saying that, it is almost always the case that when a candidate adds a buzz word into his CV (i.e. Ajax), he must have possessed a certain piece of knowledge about it.  That guy may happen to never ever written any Ajax application, and only have read about it in one or two articles.  He may feel insecured about his knowledge about Ajax and he may be aware that he does not know enough about the thing to be productive with it.  But damn it, he thinks he &lt;i&gt;knows&lt;/i&gt; it and he should be able to include it in his CV.  So, with this candidate, can you say he is a liar, an ignorant person (or an ignorant liar)?  

On the other hand, it's true that there is a number of candidates who may intentionally cheat by listing Ruby in their CV just because they know it is a programming language (without even know about any syntax).  But I would suppose this number is really small (otherwise, that guy must be really really "courageous" and, in addition, it is very unfortunate for the software industry).

And yes, as you said, we can hardly assess all the things the guy says (or lies) in his CVs, the focus should be on the assessment of things necessary for the him to get the job done in his applied position.  If he applied for a Java developer position, assess whatever necessary knowledge for that position, otherwise, you would spend all of your productive interviewing time to detect lies, which does not worth the effort for the reasons I mention above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for your comments, Phong.  You raised a disagreement with one of my point and said</p>
<blockquote><p>During interview (Unfortunately, we can hardly to check all items in an interview session) we can able to appraise which overstated competence is ignorance which one is lie
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<p>While I can see where you come from when saying that, it is almost always the case that when a candidate adds a buzz word into his CV (i.e. Ajax), he must have possessed a certain piece of knowledge about it.  That guy may happen to never ever written any Ajax application, and only have read about it in one or two articles.  He may feel insecured about his knowledge about Ajax and he may be aware that he does not know enough about the thing to be productive with it.  But damn it, he thinks he <i>knows</i> it and he should be able to include it in his CV.  So, with this candidate, can you say he is a liar, an ignorant person (or an ignorant liar)?  </p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s true that there is a number of candidates who may intentionally cheat by listing Ruby in their CV just because they know it is a programming language (without even know about any syntax).  But I would suppose this number is really small (otherwise, that guy must be really really &#8220;courageous&#8221; and, in addition, it is very unfortunate for the software industry).</p>
<p>And yes, as you said, we can hardly assess all the things the guy says (or lies) in his CVs, the focus should be on the assessment of things necessary for the him to get the job done in his applied position.  If he applied for a Java developer position, assess whatever necessary knowledge for that position, otherwise, you would spend all of your productive interviewing time to detect lies, which does not worth the effort for the reasons I mention above.</p>
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		<title>By: Phong Bui</title>
		<link>http://www.buunguyen.net/blog/tech-cvs-lie.html#comment-8</link>
		<dc:creator>Phong Bui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It partially filled up vacancies that Imran has subjectively left. Buu discovered out 'I would refer most of such cases to the problem of being ignorant rather than lies'. Good point!! However, I don't totally agree with the sentence 'As a result, assessing the honesty of a person via his CV is a very subjective and erroneous process.' From my point of view, we can somehow do it. During interview (Unfortunately, we can hardly to check all items in an interview session) we can able to appraise which overstated competence is ignorance which one is lie. Figuring out that is quite important in an interview since it helps the assessment (including the honestly of the candidate) is more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It partially filled up vacancies that Imran has subjectively left. Buu discovered out &#8216;I would refer most of such cases to the problem of being ignorant rather than lies&#8217;. Good point!! However, I don&#8217;t totally agree with the sentence &#8216;As a result, assessing the honesty of a person via his CV is a very subjective and erroneous process.&#8217; From my point of view, we can somehow do it. During interview (Unfortunately, we can hardly to check all items in an interview session) we can able to appraise which overstated competence is ignorance which one is lie. Figuring out that is quite important in an interview since it helps the assessment (including the honestly of the candidate) is more accurate.</p>
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